themartaman 
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| 01/08/2007 8:44 AM |
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I am familiar with PES files and the color information. DST files have no color information. How do I know in what order the colors will sew?
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logopunch
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| 01/08/2007 4:51 PM |
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Hi themartaman,
.dst files are machine files which only contain enough information for the machine. i.e. Where to drive the needle in, where to trim, tie off and make a color change. In other words machine functions.
Recording actual colours and thread brands is contained in more complex digitising files. e.g emb art etc.
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delfius
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| 01/09/2007 7:44 PM |
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Print a production worksheet from your EMB file before saving it to DST. You normally only need to use machine files such as DST when you finally need to stitch the design. All your digitizing, editing, recoloring etc should be done on the original EMB.
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planet_embroidery
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| 01/11/2007 5:33 PM |
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Because Dst files dont contain colour allocations (only colour changes)...
When you load it up in ES each new colour in the design will correspond to the next colour on the default pallete....
In fact this deficiency (In the .dst file format) actually helps you (Works in your favour)to see VERY clearly what order things sew in, as EVERY SINGLE colour change is rendered in a new pallete colour....
As for what thread colours to use you will have to print a plot if you have the emb... or if you have only the dst and no plot sheet then you need to consult your artwork or ask the person who gave you the .dst file for its plot sheet.
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Jean
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| 01/11/2007 5:49 PM |
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If you are downloading DST embroidery files from the Internet the files should contain a sequence of the colours used, embroidery size, number of trims etc. Alternative would be to request this information from your supplier
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Brenden
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| 01/11/2007 7:07 PM |
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If possible ask your digitizer or design supplier for a .EMB file. It will save you a lot of time and money when editing is concerned.
As a general rule always keep the original .EMB design file as it is an object-based file, and contains all the information for the design using colors, object properties, summary and element (object) name / information.
The equivalent is having a word .DOC document and typing a letter. You then 'save' the word document as a .BMP file, which means you pretty much can't simply select and edit it. You can using a slow and tedious method and various tools, but if you maintained the original Word .DOC file it would be a breeze to change.
A note about DSTs and floppy disks:
Storing just a DST file on a floppy disk is dangerous for two reasons:
- DSTs are a nightmare to edit and change later (always digitize in .EMB format)
- Floppy disks are even worse... get rid of them and go for direct connect to your machine. Floppy disks are a physical magnetic storage device, and using them in a static-rich environment like an embroidery factory with working machines and fabric is looking for trouble.
The floppy issue is a big one, and we hear regularly of people losing whole library of designs when their floppy become corrupt.
IF you do have some (and I bet pretty much everyone does...) Here are some storage tips:
- Store in a cool, dry place
- Do not leave media sitting around on the desktop
- When not in use keep media stored in a clean storage case
- Avoid flexing or twisting diskettes
- Do not touch media exposed in diskette windows
- Do not write directly on a diskette; use a label
- Do not expose to magnetic fields
- If a diskette is used frequently, maintain a backup copy
Keep your floppy disks in a storage environment within the range of 17C (62F) to 20C (68F) with ideal being 18.3C (65F).
However... my best tip is... GET RID OF THEM!
Aim for a direct connection to your machine. Store your designs in a database system to enable easy searching a recovery, and send your designs directly to your machine. If you must use a floppy to send to the machine, treat it only as a one-off and always refer back to the original file in the database or computer folder to make any changes or edits.
Do not rely on a floppy disk... they will let you down!
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planet_embroidery
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| 01/12/2007 8:55 AM |
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I second that:
The first thing I done when i was hired at all 4 embroiders i have worked for as a digitizer, was to walk straight into the embroidery room pick up disk box 1 .... take it down to my pc and start copying each disk onto separate folders ECT on my hard drive... until every disk was copied.... and eventually this became a resource...
(It was also a nightmare cleaning up and sorting through multiple and varied copies of the same design ETc etc...)
Disk 247 has died, disk 500 won't read...ETC ETC ETC....
And going through this process you would have to throw out a disk or two from each box anyway because they would just somehow become unreadable over time.
Wouldn't it be nice if the big embroidery machine companies got together and agreed to support the emb format....
Then you guys could make additional revenue writing software driver components for their machines....
and the day someone puts a blue tooth into an embroidery machine... that would be nice too....
(has that happened yet?)
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| 02/02/2007 5:59 AM |
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RE: Color Sequencing... This post is for anyone able to open a DST with Wilcom Software.
A DST file, when opened, shows the same number of color changes as the EMB would. DST's can be, but are not meant to be, edited.
You can ASSIGN the colors easily directly to the machine, or via Machine manager. If you must, colors can be changed with your Wilcom software. If you have the design on screen you can "select by color" and make the change -- saving as a DST, not an EMB -- else you may lose some stitch infomation.
Print out a production worksheet for the DST. For each "Color Sequence" number assign the color thread you want to use for each color change.
Even designs with hundreds of objects should not be a problem if they have been digitized with minimal color changes.
You only need to contact the digitizer or customer to find out the correct Thread Colors to use..... the sequencing remains intact. Otherwise, you can use any thread colors your heart desires! Even the ugly colors the DST assigns to each thread change.
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Embroidery-Hub
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| 02/02/2007 6:08 AM |
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BTW: DST files are meant to be stitched out via Tajima machines. PES formats are for Babylock machines.
Use files that are meant for the machine you have to get the best results. |
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| 02/21/2007 8:58 AM |
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| DST and PES files are also made for Brother machines, not just Babylock. |
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pat@gilbys
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| 03/18/2007 4:10 AM |
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I need to have an emb file converted to a dst file. How do I go about this? |
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| 03/18/2007 5:17 AM |
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Go to your toolbar and under File you go to "Save as" Than when
you window comes up for saving click on the arow of the box that states
save as type and scroll down until you see the DST format, click on
that one and make sure you type in the name of the file and then click
save.
(Remember when you want to open it again to also find it by
checking that you want to look in the DST format files) It will loose
the colors you used and digitized words and areas are broken in
different parts)
Maritha
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Raymond
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| 04/02/2007 2:10 AM |
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Dear Maritha,
I used the same method to convert an EMB file into DST file format and save it in my computer hard disk. I called out the dst file that I have saved but the content is empty. Tried again with other EMB files but produced the same result. Would be glad if you could help.
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Embroidery-Hub
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| 04/02/2007 3:45 AM |
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Saving an EMB as a DST:
Raymond, I see from another post that you are using TrueSizer. If the ideas below don't work... you may have something wrong with the installation. Try uninstalling Truesizer (through "Add or Remove Programs" in the Control Panel). Then download a new copy and re-install.
1. If you have ES Designer, do you have your "stitches" turned on (I am assuming you do since you can see the EMB stitches, but it doesn't hurt to ask)?
2. Look at the file size of the DST. Is it zero? If not, have you tried stitching out the DST on your machine?
Maritha's answer should have worked, even with Truesizer... "Save As" then select "Type" = DST ...That is the way to do it. |
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Raymond
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| 04/04/2007 10:18 AM |
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Hi,
Thank you very much for the advice.
I had re-installed the TrueSizer and it can work now. I am now able to convert EMB files received from my digitizing agent to dst format. However, when I sent out dst files as attachment via Yahoo email to others, only the text but not the design was received. The attachments shown only text files were attached. Would be glad if you could advise how to overcome this probklem. |
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| 04/07/2007 2:54 AM |
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Glad it worked for you.
I don't know how Yahoo email works -- ie what it allows or doesn't allow. The converting of the DST to text could be on your end or the receiver's.
1. Try sending the DST to yourself. If it comes to you converted to text, then you know that either your settings need to be changed.... or .... Yahoo doesn't allow you to send this type of file for some reason -- that Yahoo would not allow it is unlikely. It's probably the way you set your email to send or receive attachments.
2. Check your Yahoo settings, preferences, options, or whatever Yahoo calls them. You may have it set to only send attachments as text (it may say something like 'convert attachments to text when sending'). Or the person receiving the email may have their settings so all attachments are converted to text files.
Hope this works for you too.
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rob21
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| 09/07/2007 6:07 PM |
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Raymond,
I used to have this similar trouble.
To solve this, you have to save the .dst file to a floppy disk first, then copy it back to your hard drive. This file is the one that you attach on your email. It works for me, I hope it works for you.
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| 01/28/2008 11:56 AM |
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michael22
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| 05/01/2008 11:56 AM |
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Hello everybody this is my first time posting here. I have a question regarding DST vs EMB I downlow emb for 30 day it seen easy to use my software is Forte and someone recomend to recieve a file from digitizer in the format emb would I be able to open my design we my software or I will need to buy emb sofware I'm new in thid business and I need some help about sofware. any help will be great
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shuffemb
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| 05/02/2008 5:11 AM |
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Mayra,
If you get files from your digitizer in .emb format, you will be able to convert them to .dst using Wilcom's Embroidery TruSizer.
Trusizer is a free product from Wilcom available for download from the main page of this forum.
I hope this helps.
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Brenden
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| 05/02/2008 5:39 AM |
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Hi,
Just a reminder to make sure you keep your file in .EMB though as this is a true embroidery object file. DST's are stitches only and reshaping is not always possible, plus resizing of a DST is very dangerous as it will simply bunch the stitches and not reprocess the stitches like it will in a .EMB file.
Consider .EMB like a .CDR file in CorelDRAW. It contains real objects, real lettering, real fills, etc. Now imagine you took that .CDR file from CorelDRAW and exported it to a .BMP bitmap then deleted the .CDR. Later you decided you want to change the text so you attempt to edit the .BMP bit it is just pixels, with no objects. You need to re-draw and delete pixels, and when you make the .BMP bitmap larger the pixels grow larger and the shapes look jagged.
That's the same as a .DST. It is limited and editing functions can be poor. Now thankfully wilcom has the technology where it attempts to re-trace a .DST file and turn it into an outline file, but it will not give you as good quality as if it was an original .EMB file.
So golden rule is always keep the .EMB file and only make a stitch file such as .DST to send to the machine. Any editing should be done on the .EMB file and then re-saved as a .DST if needed.
Actually, I just realised I wrote something similar before!  To think I've been spending my time at 5:30am simply repeating myself. That's what i get for getting out of bed so early on a chilly autumn morning! |
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michael22
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| 05/03/2008 3:04 AM |
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Than you everyone for sharing with me.
Which trusizer should I download from wilcom they have 3 different would somebody let me know please thank you
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| 05/03/2008 4:30 AM |
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Hi Mayra,
I would download the latest (2006) unless you need to be able to convert .art files. To do that, then I think you would have to use version 9.
I hope this makes sense.
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michael22
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| 05/03/2008 11:24 PM |
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I download the 2006 it say my 30 days free trial has expired. I need to purchase and register, this software otherwise.I will only be able. to process ember free design.is asking me for registration and password.What should I do any fee fack will be great apriciated
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| 05/04/2008 1:33 AM |
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If you downloaded Wilcom TruSizer 2006 from this forum, it is free forever.
You must be trying to use a copy of Wilcom ES, which is NOT free. You must register Wilcom ES and get the unlock codes in order to use it.
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