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04/14/2008 11:54 PM Alert 
After saving your Logo To PES, The MAchine does not reconize the Logo
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04/15/2008 8:03 PM Alert 
Which machine model are you using?

There are many different versions of the PES format, DecoStudio supports V1.0...V6.0. By default, DecoStudio will write PES V6.0, BUT if you have an older machine, it might have problems reading the latest format.

From memory, some Brother ULT machines take a PES V4.0.

If you're having problems, try selecting a different PES version in the PES Save Options dialog.
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04/21/2008 12:38 PM Alert 
I have a Babylock BMP6, I saved it in all verion format and it did not work. I have to take the logo to wilcom truesizer and save it there.
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04/21/2008 12:40 PM Alert 
I have a Babylock BMP6, I saved it in all verion format and it did not work. I have to take the logo to wilcom truesizer and save it there.
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04/29/2008 10:12 PM Alert 
I'm afraid I'm not familiar with the Babylock BMP6. But it's interesting that TrueSizer works for you. When you opened your design in TrueSizer, did you open an EMB to save to PES, or did you just open the DecoStudio-saved PES and resave it as PES?
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05/03/2008 3:03 AM Alert 

I saved it in the es2006 emb format. this is the only way it would work with the pes format so that the machine reconized the design

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05/24/2008 7:26 AM Alert 

I have been very frustrated with Wilcom's Deco Studio with regard to .PES files.  I bought Brother's PE Design 7 and tried to open embroidery files from the Wilcom program and it DOES NOT recognize any file saved in the .PES format with the single exception of a tiny file saved in .PES Ver. 1.  It is not true that Deco Studio automatically saves a .PES file in any format.  The first time you designate .PES after clicking "Save As" a table of the Version 1-6 comes up and you choose which one to save your design in.  I also found that the .PES  machine (I'm using Brother 700PEII) won't read Wilcom files saved as .PES files in any version except one, but you have to have a very tiny file for it to be able to read it.  Usually, saving in Ver. 1 winds up splitting a file into three parts:  a- b- and c-.  If these were usable, it might be OK to download the a- file, stitch it, then download the -b file and stitch it; however, the -b and -c files are not aligned in any predictable manner that I can discern.  A file is saved in each of the .PES formats, but my machine and my software cannot read them--the message "Unexpected File Format" comes back every time.

I have found ONE way to use a file I create in Wilcom Deco Studio with my Brother machine and software.  I have to save the file in Tajima format = .DST.  When I open the file in PE Design 7 (having first to specify the .DST format), it opens my design, but the colors are all messed up.  There is a way to work around this by printing out the original file color changes and using that as the guide because, despite the fact that Wilcom does not seem to be able to save the colors you used in the .PES format, it at least saves the colors in the exact order in which they are sewn.  I tried to use the other Brother product, PED-BASIC, to write a Wilcom Deco Studio pattern to my machine, but it will not recognize any .PES file written by Deco Studio, nor will it recognize the .DST.  Once I have opened a Deco Studio .DST file in PE Design 7, I can save it as a .PES file that both PED-BASIC and my machine (through usb connection) can read.  This tells me that the problem is in the Wilcom programming when it attempts to convert the file to the .PES format.

Fortunately for me, machine embroidery is a hobby and not a business.  If I were selling my designs and trying to convert them to usable formats for customers, I would not use Deco Studio because it cannot write a .PES file, period.  I have notified the company about this problem (over a month ago) and I got back a response to call someone at the company's support at my expense.  No thanks.  I did, again, notify them that I have proven beyond all doubt that the problem is with their program and will let you know if they ever answer that email.

 

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05/24/2008 9:02 AM Alert 
Deco Studio WILL NOT SAVE .PES IN A READABLE FILE FORMAT.
I have downloaded the TrueSizer program and found that I can finally convert an .EMB file into a .PES file without going through Brother PE Design 7 from a .DST file--so this software has cut a step out of the process. Wilcom needs to FIX THE BUG IN THEIR DECO STUDIO FOR .PES FILES--ALL VERISIONS, PLEASE.
And, while Wilcom is at it, they need to add Madiera Rayon 40 to their color charts and the need to get rid of their default colorway--it is horrid. All converted .EMB files revert to the Deco colorway regardless of how much time and effort you spend selecting specific pallates. This is absolutely disgusting for a software program that retails for two grand.
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05/26/2008 10:09 PM Alert 
I talked to my friend in Wilcom Support. Yes, there's a bug with PES format in DecoStudio. But until Wilcom can fix it, you can use conguero01's workaround above, specifically:
- save the design as Design Files ES 2006 (*.EMB)
- open in TrueSizer
- save as PES

If I hear of a nicer workaround (or a fix???), I'll let you guys know.

As for Colorways, you can add your own (e.g. Madeira Rayon 40) in the "Modify Thread Chart" dialog. And the issue with your colors changing during conversion isn't a bug, so don't worry too much about that. (see my response in your other thread).

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05/28/2008 8:52 AM Alert 
I have the three-drawer, full selection of Madiera Rayon 40 and it is easy to make a Thread Chart for same...up to a point. The threads also include three types that have no equivalent in any of the products lists, so there is no way to convert them to a meaningful equivalent from one of the other Thread Charts: metallic thread, thread with graded coloring, thread with periodic color changes (like a small black ---) interrupting the base color at set intervals. These decorative threads are great fun to use in projects (especially 3D ones), but there is no way to get a feel for what they will look like or to specify them in the pattern (.EMB).
In talking to Wilcom Support Australia and Wilcom Support U.S. yesterday and today, respectively, I have FINALLY confirmed that DecoStudio e1 has a software BUG and cannot save .PES files. In the event these posts are monitiored by Wilcom, which seems to be the case, I respectfully ask the following to save other users the exasperation, frustration, and anger I have experienced in trying to get usable files from this program:
1. Post on your website that there is a software bug in DecoStudio e1 with regard to .PES file format saves under the FAQ's section on BOTH websites in the partnership products, i.e., Wilcom and Corel
2. Post the work-around using TrueSizer 2006 on both websites and allow users to download it directly from the website (without having to sign up for this venue);
3. Work more closely with Corel, so that their Support has a clue about the software bugs and can provide more satisfactory responses to customers who use that website to look for answers (some of us long-time CorelDraw users are very familiar with their products and website and go there frequently to find answers to software problems);
4. Notify all registered users of Wilcom Deco Studio e1 about the software bug (imagine someone selling patterns in the various formats may be totally unaware that the files "Saved As" .pes files are not usable--that business will not last long if the owner is unaware of the bug;
5. FIX THE DECO STUDIO program software bug and post a patch on both websites (Wilcom and Corel) as soon as possible---we should not have to go through TrueSizer2006 to get a usable file from a $2000 program.
6. Post information on when you intend to UPGRADE to Corel Graphics Suite X4--I don't want to wind up buying both products a second time.
7. Consider starting a forum on the Wilcom site for users--not all of us are using this program for profit, but are using it for home use only.
8. I think Wilcom owes all of us who have had to struggle through resolving this issue a public apology.
Thank you
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05/28/2008 4:52 PM Alert 

Hi Sharon,

DecoStudio and ES both have the Madeira Rayon Classic 40 thread chart you are referring to. It is called "Madeira Classic 40". At this point in time metalic and multi-color threads are not available as standard.

As Delfius noted you can make your own thread charts by clicking on Color Palette Editor icon > Thread Charts > Modify.

Here you can make a New chart, edit an existing, or make your own based off a previous chart.

IE, it is common someone has a few from Maderia, a few from Sulky, Royal, etc. You can "Copy From" other charts and build your own. (See image below).

EmbroideryStartup is available as a free public to discuss embroidery topics such as Wilcom, Pulse and other software. So even if you are not a business owner you can use this site as much as you want!

 







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06/04/2008 4:23 AM Alert 

Thanks, Brenden.  I was about 1/3rd of the way through making a Madiera Rayon 40 palette when I noticed your post.  I have found a Madeira Pantone equivalent chart that will work for some of these to get a closer on-screen color to match the thread, and I've already made Brother-numbered equivalent charts for Madeira Polyneon 40, Madeira Rayon 40, Robinson-Anton (which makes thread cones using the Brother coding system under the name "Pacesetter").   I've had some really interesting and unique results using the multi-colored threads, especially when trying to simulate something in nature.  I guess these would be difficult to actually program because they are variable in unpredictable ways.  Sharon

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06/19/2008 11:39 PM Alert 
Weird, i have just installed truesizer and i can have both open.

Also when saved as PES it is only converting have the design in to colours and missing an outline border on some??
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06/19/2008 11:51 PM Alert 
Soory should of been cant open both.

And i have tried surrgestions in posts and no success!!!!

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06/23/2008 1:22 AM Alert 
alancregeen......you are doing nothing wrong......we can NOT have Deco Studio and TrueSizer open at the same time. It's really inconvenient, but that's what we have to deal with until a fix for the PES conversion comes out.
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06/23/2008 9:24 PM Alert 
Actually, while we're waiting for the fix, there's a MUCH more convenient workaround that using TrueSizer.

When saving as PES, you get the option of which version you want to save as. The bug affects PES V4.0...V6.0. So if you select PES 1.0, you should be able to save a usable PES in DecoStudio (V1.0F/G).

However, on some PCs, you may find it slow or appearing to hang... but you can speed this up a LOT by selecting Melco machine instead of Tajima when creating designs (you can even create a "Brother" machine format based on Melco for this purpose, if you like Brother to show up in your machine list).
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