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Subject: Split Satin Suggested Improvement

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08/31/2007 1:16 AM Alert 

Hi Brendan,

I was wondering if Wilcom will consider offering the ability to split a satin stitch in thirds?  Only being able to split in half does not look as desireable on wide columns.

Thanks,

Rich Medcraft
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08/31/2007 1:38 AM Alert 
Hello:)
You can get more splits by adjusting the auto split length.
You can also play with the Min Length to get a relative look.

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08/31/2007 1:54 AM Alert 

Hi Rich,

You can try User Defined Split?

This will allow you to plot your own custom splits. See my sample attached.




Attachment: UserSplit.EMB
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10/04/2007 11:52 AM Alert 
Your Of course refering to auto split?
Which automatically assumes control and adjusts the number of extra Needle penetrations depending on the width.

It is interesting that it has been recognised that satin has a maximum width before it degrades and requires a function such as "auto split" to extend the workable width of satin....

But that the reverse has not yet been realized.........I.E. that fill stitch has a minimum width under which it degrades and should thus be converted to satin.....

After all this is what digitizers do manually alot of the time anyway... I.E. recognise that part of the design is too narrow for fill! And go in manually......
Why not extend this knowlege to the fill routine and have it also avail itself of this wisdom?

It would be great to have a "kick down" property for fill stitching which would specify the width below which fill stitch would be converted to satin with-in the same complex fill object.

Also as an extra option to this you could have a randomized transition zone option which would place a few random penetrations in the transition zone should these need to be blended in.....

This increased flexiblity of stitch types really involves integrating the stitch types.
So that in fact not only would a fill scale down to a satin.
But a satin could scale up to a fill ETC.....

Perhaps this would be best achieved by introducing a new stitch type which would be called perhaps "Auto Stitch" which would be controlled like the underlay table is...I.E. you would specify in stages when the transitions would happen ETC and you could then save this as a stitchtype style.....
Also in this area would an error margin propertie to specify how many rows of stitches into the next teir are required untill it is triggered... so that the next teir (stitch type) would not be triggered for only 3 stitch rows ETC and look silly....

P.S. the same treatment needs also to be implemented for underlay.....Ie auto underlay should be actively changed for different parts of the same fill object depending on the situation (mainly the column width).......
And underlay stitching should void and assume where possible existing travel run so as not to overload the underlay load.
David Hewitt (Digitizer/Director)
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10/05/2007 12:35 AM Alert 

Hi Planet embroidery,

There are already tricks in doing what you want by creating a satin area in a fill, here are two of them and if you give me a sample file I can show you more.  You can try to change your 'Min Length" in the Tatami Stitch Values and then you can play with the Backstitch type. You can also divide (split) object(s) and change the area that you want and then if you like use the branching for the objects.  Myself I like to have control and do the areas manually so I know what my density (Stitch Spacing) is and also I have control of the travel runs.

Yes I know, now a days everyone wants the software to know and do what they want but my version of doing something maybe different than yours or theirs, and then if you have to many options then the software could get confusing for others, as of now when I do training the biggest thing that I find that users don't know is the connectors and underlay setting.
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10/05/2007 9:19 AM Alert 
Yes... it goes with-out saying that there are many ways to deal with a walking path in your local park that is pocked with pot holes:

1) You can complain to your local council and ask them to fix it,
2) You can just ignor it like everyone else ..... and justify your resignation by walking around them like every one else.
3) Or you can get creative and jump over everyone you come across...

Number 3 represents your suggested response to the problem.....
It might sound good as an argument on paper but to anyone who has to actually trod this path (instead of selling tickets on it) will know that even though we all posess other powers that can "surmount" such obstacles, that if you need to propose going to such lengths just to justify your postition then perhaps you should re-think this possition.

That my way of thinking... perhaps you do not agree that this level of active stitch type control is necessary?

My point is I guess that your suggestion does nothing to address my issue. And that is that it is my view that these advances are necessary.

I do not simply wish to put a satin into a fill on a whim....(that i'm willing to go to considerable lengths to entertain)
I'm talking about improved & active stitch type control for all fills.... EVERY TIME THESE NARROW.
I'm talking about improved "ACTIVE" stitch types for general consumption not special tricks with only neiche applications.
David Hewitt (Digitizer/Director)
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10/06/2007 12:27 AM Alert 

I guess in a nut shell your response seemed to misrepresent my point but your tips are appreciated.

Your also right about the connector and trim settings.... I have always found these problematic and difficult.

But when alot of users seem to trip over the same thing: (besides the whole  group not completely grasping this aspect of the program) is this not also indicating areas where improvements are most sorely required with in the design of ES in order to render it more spontaneously logical?

Im not sure what could be done with trims and connectors but i think something needs to be done to de-mistify this most misunderstood area of ES.

I think the reason so many people find it confusing is because IT IS.

And new UI funtionality or new ways to work in ES need to be considered which are more on-screen and logical and which achieve the same ends in a more intuitive manor.

 

 
David Hewitt (Digitizer/Director)
Planet Embroidery (Australia)

web: http://www.planetembroidery.com.au/
email:digitizing@planetembroidery.com.au
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