Maritha
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| 07 Mar 2007 7:28 PM |
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I would like to know more about the drop Stitch Direction that I need
to use for digitizing. The sequin unit is not north nor south. It is I
would say at a 45 degree angle (between south and west). So how would I
set the drop direction settings and what is this Max angle setting.
And how does that fixing stitch work?
I do not really understand what the manual gives about this.
How can I get more information on these things?
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yathra
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| 09 Mar 2007 7:54 AM |
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| i help you ,
sequins digitizing is very easy. |
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unique
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| 11 Mar 2007 9:10 AM |
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When you said it is a 45 then you must have an AMAYA. Is this correct? if not can you be more in detail.
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Maritha
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| 11 Mar 2007 10:25 AM |
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Yes that is correct I do have an AMAYA XT with the first sequin unit they installed in California. Now I did do some digitizing for using sequin but there have been a few times that I did not understand why my sequin were flying instead of getting down and fastend. I wondered about if I did the digitizing wrong. I need to understand this digitizing properly in regard to north and south and the degree as well as the information on the fixing stitch. Not only because I want to digitize for the AMAYA sequin unit but also if I ever would digitize for an Tajima or any other machine that might have a sequin unit attachment.
I love to work with sequin.
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unique
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| 12 Mar 2007 8:06 AM |
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Hi Maritha,
You should have no problem in digitizing for any Embroidery machine if the Sequin is inserting from the front, but Melco comes from the angle. And found that you will be limited on the stitch method.
I have talked to Melco about the Sequin. They are still new to Sequin with the machine and told me that they are in training on installing them. They hope by the summer they will have all the bugs out. Make sure that the sequin was installed on your machine right. I will try to get with Wilcom AU about this.
For now try some different stitch method and also you can go back and edit the stitches if there is just a few that you are having problem with.
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Maritha
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| 12 Mar 2007 6:38 PM |
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Greg what do you mean by limited on the stitch method? As far as I can see I should put the drop stitch direchtion coming from the north (at least this has given me the least problems since I did not change that in the beginning at all when I tried to run sequin). I also do not understand what this other box of degree needs to show. So far I think I left that on 90 degree but does not understand this part either, also I do not understand what the fixing stitch indicates and what the best methode is for that one.
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unique
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| 14 Mar 2007 9:08 AM |
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I had this all type out and explaien about the Sequin and then I had to help a customer and when I got back I ckick on Submit to find that I was auto loged off.
My Bad on the Stitch Method. I should of said Fixing Type. The fixing Type is how the disk is held down. I call them disk so I hope you are still with me. it like how this little guy  put his tong out is it side ways cured or what (the tong is the method) Not Funny? Ok I'll quit with the bad jokes.
As for the Fixing Type used it may kick the out the disk or put a hole in the disk.
As for what you said "I also do not understand what this other box of degree needs to show. So far I think I left that on 90 degree but do not understand this part either” where do you see the Degree?
Take a screen shot and draw a line to it email me
If you don't have Snagit or Corel Capture then Hold the 'Shift' key and then the 'Print Scree'/SysRq' key and then got to your Windows Start (at the bottom left of your screen) under accessories open your 'Paint' program and email me.
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unique
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| 14 Mar 2007 9:11 AM |
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| Sorry about the typo, it's late and I didn't want to get kicked out again (logout) |
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Unique Embroidery & Printing
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Maritha
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| 17 Mar 2007 6:11 PM |
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Greg
I should not have said "degree" but instead I should have said "angle"
My program is on a computer that is not connected to the internet so therefor I will refer to the manual page 545 and 546. On page 545 the picture shows the window which ask for stitch Direction and right under that is Max Angle. On page 546 there is a drawing that gives some indication of drop stitch direction and max angle of fixing stitch. Those 2 pages are not very clear to me and they also don't indicate what the best position is for a fixing stitch and what the word fixing stitch really indicates. And if you work with angle settings in what direction does it turn (to the left or to the right?
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basabi
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| 17 Mar 2007 10:26 PM |
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Hi Maritha,
I understood that the fixing stitch is the the formation of stitches which hold one sequin down and as you will know there are difference types of them (Ax-x - Cx-x).
I further understood that the initial fixing stitch starts with the penetration before the sequin is dropped and this stitch should be just located opposite to the dropping direction (in the example for multi-head machines the needles penetrates the fabric North of the sequin to be dropped right after the penetration and the sequin is dropped then comming from South or when you imagine a virtual clock-face first the needle penetration is on 1200 and the sequin then is dropped on 0600
With reference to the angle value which is set to 90° by standard I interprete the drawing on page 544 that there are 45" degrees each left and right in relation to the dropping direction.
My background on sequin digitizing/embroidery:
I don't have practical experience with sequin embroidery - our device should have arrived last week, but did not  - I digitized one filled Paisley drop-like designs with two colors for sequins which was stitched out by my friend on a Tajima in CA without any problem in the first run. I had the stitchout with me on an international fair here in Germany and it was "inspected" by an embroiderer experienced in sequin-digitizing and stitching and assured me, that the digitizing was done technically correct - thanks to ES obviously also a beginner without knowing much theoretically on sequins digitizing can create well looking and well running designs.
BTW, did you read the Note on Sequin Mode on page 539??
I hope to become more experienced when our sequin device is installed, wonder, how many spangles will find their place in the vaccum cleaner and not fixed onto the fabric. |
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Maritha
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| 18 Mar 2007 4:59 AM |
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Hi Barbara
Are you working with a Tajima machine?
Since I have an AMAYA XT my sequins are dropped from a 45 angle to the left of the South (south-west angle) so if I understand correct my max angle really should be at 45 to the right of the North (north-east) to get the best results.
I understand that you can not turn a design and use it for a cap. It has to be redigitized for that so the stitch angle will be correct for the direction it will be done.
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Maritha
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| 18 Mar 2007 5:02 AM |
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So now I am thinking about this that it has to be re-digitized for caps a sequin design can only be stitched out in the original digitized form and can also not be horizontal turnd either.
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unique
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| 20 Mar 2007 3:56 AM |
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Hi Maritha,
I’m sorry I didn't get back to you sooner but it was the weekend (Not working). As for hats, flip your design in the ES before you save the design to your machine format (you can't send it directly to your machine). And As for the machine format you are saving it as DST for your Amaya right? Other wise the Drop may be ignored. What Fixing Type are you using and the Orientation. As for the Drop Stitch Direction and Max angle of 45, I did look at the way it sews and it looks like it may work for the Amaya. Can you send me the EMB file and I'll look at it to make sure your setting is setup the way I assume it is? Also I found that you should not have your ES as Melco Machine Format (under the Machine Menu) and then save the file as DST because the stitch placement may not be correctly in some areas.
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unique
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| 20 Mar 2007 4:10 AM |
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| I forgot to ask if any of your Sequins (disk(s) graphics) are with crossing pattern fill (#) in them? Then this means that you may have a problem and it should be edited |
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Maritha
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| 28 Mar 2007 10:39 AM |
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Greg
Sorry I was getting ready to leave for Death Valley when I got your reply.
I have looked at my designs and ran it stitch by stich on the screen to
see when the sequin drops and where the stitch is coming from. It looks
OK if I put it on North with a max angle of 45. Occasional it apears to
shrow in an extra stitch in the fixing stitch formation so it ends up
sometimes with not just a triangular fixing stitch but an extra fixing
stitch. It is sometimes better to use a different fixingstitch to cut
that extra stitch out but it does not work all the time.
Wilcom only allows you to digitize in DST format so instead of opening
the standard new file I open a new file based on Tajima format.
To be able to see the design correctly later I have no choice but to
save it in EMB format but to be able to use it I have to save it
in DST format (as I looked at it that will automatically set the
machine format for Tajima). The AMAYA OS program reads the DST format
(if saved in EXP format it does not drop the sequin).
I don't know how to sent an attachment with this e-mail but
I think I will be OK as long as I have it north and at 45 max.
I have turned things in Horizontal and in Vertical direction but Wilcom
ES does not change the drop-stitch direction with it. The drop stitch
direction becomes incorrect at that point. So even flipping a design in
Wilcom before it goes to the machine is not a good idea it has to be
digitized in the up-side down or left to right position.
So I suppose Wilcom has to work on that one a little more. I also hope
they start working on filling objects with sequin because doing it with
changing runs into sequin is not the way I want to do it.
And why is it that when I open a regular digitized design that is in
DST format it shows me the design as it is but it can not show the
correct size of the sequin to me that is a programming problem because
if I sent a sequin design in DST format to someone else they need to
see how the design looks as well.
Maritha
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designmaster130
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| 27 Apr 2007 7:33 AM |
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dear Maritha
i am uzair and i am digitizing for tjaima tmlh and zsk and swf with sequin device.I nderstand your problem if you give me your Email i will send you file in emb foormat to under stand this sequin digitizinng but mention the size of sequin 5,4, or 3 and i will tell you my secret to punch easy sequin design but the thing you understand that the degree is 45 and drop position is north is good sign of learning but keep in mind that the stich is 90, or 45 degree from stich if you send a picture of your machine it will be beter my email is designmaster130@yahoo.com and designmaster130@hotmail.com waitng for reply |
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designmaster130
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| 29 Apr 2007 7:03 AM |
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