New version of TrueSizer e2 available now
Register | Login
tit_Forums.jpg
.
 


You are not logged in. Login now!

 

Subject: File formats change original color scheme

You are not authorized to post a reply.   
Page 2 of 2 << < 12
Author Messages
STEPHENPUser is Offline
Posts: 1
Location:

Rank: Newbie
Newbie

06 Jun 2008 12:10 AM Alert 
Hi
When i create a design in emb format then i convert to either dst or toyota as long as i program into my toyota machine the colur sequence i want then the machine will run out the correct design.
If however i try to import either a dst or toyota design previously created by me the colur sequence is very muddled up. i now there is a program from either toyota or wilcom that saves me having to input the clour sequence after i send to my machine via a serial cable. After phoneing my toyota dealer he said not to bother with the programas there was a buggy feel to the program. What is everybody opion should i bother or keep writing down the sequence. best regards
stephen P
basabiUser is Offline
Posts: 202
Location: Tornesch near Hamburg, Northern Germany

Rank: Hooked
Hooked

06 Jun 2008 6:22 AM Alert 
Stephen,

dst and TO1 are stitch based formats and at least dst cannot hold any color information, just color stops, which means, when you open it in a software the default colors are assigned.

The program you are talking about is from Toyota. It is the Expert Stitch Manager. I work with it and I don't experienced that it is buggy. It is not available all over the globe though.

Your emb-file will hold every color you assigned and you do not need to write down the color sequence. Just go to file/print preview and check or uncheck the relevant checkboxes. You can have all the information you need for feeding the sequence into your machine right from the monitor or from a print of those customizable work sheets.

HTH

Barbara
sharsandUser is Offline
Posts: 45
Location:

Rank: Regular
Regular

06 Jun 2008 6:58 AM Alert 

First, just let me say that Wilcom has been working on fixing the software bug and I think they are well on their way if our latest communications are any indication.  It is so nice to have the programming people and support people at a company talk with each other and the customer--something that is getting to be increasingly rare (at least in my experience). 

Delfius, I may be changine my DecoStudio to use your solution if the software bug fix becomes a downloadable program that will install on ver. e1 of DecoStudio.  Right now, I have no clue whether the programming will be addressed to ver. e1 or be done for the next release (I assume that would be e2).  If they do make a software upgrade available on the website to download and apply to e1, the Melco issue may become important to anyone wanting usable .pes files. 

You are absoutely correct that the Brother Commercial Support section had no idea what I was asking when I asked if their machine-language used Melco or Tajima machine language.  I am still waiting to hear from the Home Division (not holding my breath).  Their documentation uses different terminology for lots of things; e.g., they call digitizing a grahic "punching" or "autopunching" depending on whether one is using their automatic conversion programs (they allow one to chose the stitch type--satin, tatami, cross-stitch, etc.--and provide choices for the way the graphic is framed [including omitting the background altogether], and they have a very similar manual digitizing format that allows the graphics to be dumped, saved, or dimmed).  I could be wrong, but I think I've been able to learn both programs more thoroughly because I'm learning them both at the same time.   They are both great programs, each with its own pluses and minuses.

I notice that the documentation for DecoStudio has a chapter (20) called "Reading Files of Different Formats" that addresses some of the machine formatting issues.  The "design formats" for processing Melco CND in both stitch files and outline formats is discussed.  I think this section is addressing exactly your point???  The next chapter (21) addresses machine formats (that's its name).  In studying the manual (I printed it out, put it in a binder, and I'm reading it in depth for the 4th time now), I'm finding that the documentation is all there, it just takes some time for it all to get digested.  The first time I read this section, I skimmed through it because I did not think it mattered to me.  It appears that this is critical information and I have to thank you for your persistence in getting these points through to me.  I have just been able to actually do something I could not do before because I finally get the difference between "stitch" files and "outline files" in this program.  The Brother program used completely different terminology (a "stitch" is a "punch").  Hopefully the confusion this generates will actually add a greater depth to my understanding of how these programs work.  The Melco stitch file information is something I can relate to--it breaks the information up into separate "programming" elements that can be changed/altered to have the program stitch your design the way you want it to.  It reminds me of punching the Fortran evolved with different file extensions for subsequent releases of that computer language (array programming, module-based programing, object-based programming, object-oriented programming, and generic programming (each with a new file extension as the language evolved), and I'm starting to look at designing a stitch file as something like punching the old computer cards for those room-sized computers of the 70's--you had to write the program for read, write, execute, print with "routines," "subroutines," and parameters like stop, start, pause, continue, function, do-loop, end.  To write a Fortran program, you had to diagram the whole thing first, then punch the cards (a separate one for each command), then have the computer try to execute your program...it inolved a lot of trial and error and going back to rewrite the parts of the program that did not execute the way you intended.  The more I work with these programs, the more I see the similarity.  I wonder when they were first developed because I am seeing elements of the old Fortran here (going back to the 1950's) rather than the more recent programming languages.  If you know, please pass it on.

For anyone who is using DecoStudio and not getting the results they want, Chapter 20 is a must read.  The real superiority of their program is in allowing you to edit ALL the details--something I cannot do in the other program.  Is this related to your suggestion to change the machine to Melco?

I was recently trying to digitize a logo that is in two colors and was having difficulty getting either program to autodigitize it without adding more than I could see.   I finally got the result I wanted when I used a handy little program called "PreDesign 3".  The manual digitizing seems to give me a much better result in both programs, but at least I can now go back and edit out the stitches I did not want in the autodigitized files.

Keep it coming, Delfius, I'm loving it.

delfiusUser is Offline
Posts: 197
Location: Sydney, Australia

Rank: Hooked
Hooked

23 Jun 2008 9:51 PM Alert 
It's nice to meet a fellow programmer in the embroidery world, there aren't many of us around. But I must admit, I know practically nothing about Fortran in the 70's, I wasn't even born yet! My first programming experience was with BASIC in the early 90's, now I'm primarily into C++ and learning C#.

Interesting that you mention "punch cards", apparently there still exist industrial embroidery machines that actually read punch cards. For a long time, ES has had a feature "Punch to Paper Tape"!!! (which I've never actually used).

While I'm no historian, I imagine that a lot of "industrial" stitch file formats have been around for many decades and the machine developers originally designed the formats for punching to paper tape. That would explain why the machine developers would have wanted to store as concisely little data as possible so would have left out details like colors so the data wouldn't use up as much in rolls of paper tape.

Ballads, duets, and a fun dose of pop/rock http://www.youtube.com/user/delfiusgarland
GrafikFeatUser is Offline
Posts: 8
Location: Gold Bar, Washington

Rank: Novice
Novice

18 Sep 2011 10:47 AM Alert 
As a newbie coming into this trade/venue this was/is an entertaining thread... If not educational!

I'm looking into DecoStudio and I'm left wondering if this issue w/ PES has been rectified. After-all it's been 3 years since the last post!

I just picked up Brothers 6 needle for a start up venue. I can only hope this issue has been taken care of.

As for you programmers... Go make a Mac version! ;^)

Jim

"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'nice doggie' until you can find a rock." ~ Will Rogers
sharsandUser is Offline
Posts: 45
Location:

Rank: Regular
Regular

18 Sep 2011 12:59 PM Alert 

Newbie:  Yes, I worked with Wilcom and they did fix the .pes file format problem--but that was for .pes versions 1-6 and I do not know if they have updated to version 8 or PE Design Next.  If you are planning to use a six-needle Brother machine for a business, PE Design digitizing software is an absolute necessity.  I am currently using PE Design Next, Floriani Embroidery Suite Pro, and learning Artistic Sewing Suite (which includes Creative DRAWings software which was the CorelDRAW bundled predecessor to Deco Studio and still works integratively with CorelDRAW).  All three of these program cost far less than Deco e1 and all three are far superior IMHO.  I sold do not use Deco at all even though Wilcom did go out of their way to work with me to solve the .pes file problem--the program did not allow for deviations from its preprogrammed parameters (e.g., if you wanted a satin stitch wider than 6mm, you could not get it as the software was programmed to split anything that wide in two).  I think Corel made a huge mistake when Creative DRAWings wanted a bigger cut of their combined profits.  They are doing just fine without Corel and, with the addition of the Wing's Modular software and cutting needles in the Artistic Suite (all for $700), it is very powerful software for very little $$.  I own the Brother 12-needle (PR-1000) and Quattro machines and I would never be able to do anything original without the Brother digitizing software that came with these machines--there is simply no other way to self-digitized designs work with the machine edits and no other way to edit professionally digitized software and get it to run on the machines without a lot of extra work--especially with the larger or split-hoop designs.    Sharon

GrafikFeatUser is Offline
Posts: 8
Location: Gold Bar, Washington

Rank: Novice
Novice

18 Sep 2011 1:19 PM Alert 
I had PE Design 5 a few years ago. I lost all my equipment to a flood.
I'm re-entering the market and shopping software.
I do all my work on a Mac. When done I bring it over to the PC side to create the needed file to stitch out.
I recently bought Generations as I got a good deal on it... Who is Wings with now?

Jim

"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'nice doggie' until you can find a rock." ~ Will Rogers
hwingateUser is Offline
Posts: 23
Location:

Rank: Novice
Novice

18 Sep 2011 1:20 PM Alert 
Agreed Sharon. The functionality that Creative DRAWings offers is amazing for the price. Not to mention it is so easy to learn and use. In our commercial embroidery operations we now use Creative DRAWings almost exclusively. It does almost everything we need. After adding on a couple of inexpensive modules to the Wings Modular component we were able to some of the tricky bits like blend and contour that advanced digitisers like to use. Top it off the support we get is terrific.
hwingateUser is Offline
Posts: 23
Location:

Rank: Novice
Novice

18 Sep 2011 1:24 PM Alert 
Wings is Wings Modular. Add Wings to DRAWstitch and you get DRAWings. They have always been together. Used to be Corel DRAWings but Corel is no longer needed. Corel only supplied the vector graphics. The DRAWstitch tecnology did the rest but now DRAWings has it's own graphics engine and it is seamelessly integrated with DRAWstitch technology - it's not autodigitizing.
GrafikFeatUser is Offline
Posts: 8
Location: Gold Bar, Washington

Rank: Novice
Novice

18 Sep 2011 1:52 PM Alert 
This is what I'm looking to do. Embroider friends motorcycles onto hats from a photograph.
I have 15 years in Photoshop so preparing the image isn't an issue.
Detail in the embroidery is.

Jim






"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'nice doggie' until you can find a rock." ~ Will Rogers
starwhizz777User is Offline
Posts: 148
Location:

Rank: Regular
Regular

24 Sep 2011 2:49 AM Alert 
hi It'd be very difficult to have success stitching cycles on made up caps, unless you did just semblances of it. In embroidery, size is everything when it comes to 'detail', and since you only have 2'' of space as far as height is concerned, that allows for very little detail of a motorcycle. Better success at embroidering their names/tat signs as most do...

Nevi
www.wilcomfonts.ning.com
Keyboard Fonts for Professionals

www.efectpro.com
Digitizing..feel the difference...
shanmarsh1User is Offline
Posts: 85
Location:

Rank: Regular
Regular

11 Dec 2011 2:18 AM Alert 
You can do exactly this with any version of PowerPoint. In the old presentation, use File, Save as, and save the slide as a JPG file. You can then insert it on top of a blank slide in the new presentation and nothing short of Microsoft Paint will change it.


[url=http://http://www.safeguardclothing.com/23-body-armor]Body Armour[/url] | [url=http://www.safeguardclothing.com/23-body-armor]Safeguard Clothing[/url]
You are not authorized to post a reply.
Page 2 of 2 << < 12

Forums > Embroidery Software > Wilcom DecoStudio > File formats change original color scheme



ActiveForums 3.6
Copyright 2010 EmbroideryStartup.com Advertise with us :: Privacy Statement :: Terms Of Use