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sharsand  Posts: 44 Location:
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| 05/26/2008 4:18 AM |
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When I save any design I have created in any avalable format [except .PES--DecoStudio will not save a file in any of the .PES formats with the exception of a very tiny file in .PES Ver. 1 -- there is a major software bug that has not been addressed and, apparently neither Corel nor Wilcom Support wish to discuss, but by being able to open a saved file (.EMB) in TrueSizer 2006 and save it there, albeit with screwed up colors) as a .PES file (any version 1 - 6) or to open a file saved in .DST format in Brother PE Design 7 and then save it as a .PES file (version 7, 1 - 6 available as well) with a major amount of time spent changing colors back to those originally chosen], the colors are saved incorrectly. What appears to happen is, regardless of the thread type I've chosen, regardless of how many colorways I make, DecoStudio converts all colors to their native DECO colors as shown in their colorway 1. If my first stitched color was supposed to be pink, it is converted to the first color on DecoStudio's colorway = dark purple. The second color, regardless of what it was supposed to be, is changed to the second color on the Deco colorway 1. Even if I save my original pattern with the .EMB format, the next time I open that pattern, all the colors are screwed up and reassigned to Deco's color scheme in the order of appearance on colorway 1. The ony way I have been able to actually stitch a design I create in DecoStudio is to print the design properties (which lists the colors in the order of stitching in the actual pattern without this change) and use that as a template when I stitch the pattern, substituting the correct colors from that information. I have also tried editing the colorway 1 color scheme, deleting the Deco thread chart, and approximating the thread I use to match the colors in the colorway 1 Deco colors color by color. Nothing works, even the last choice: The colors are not assigned in the order of the colorway, so if dark purple is not the first color the program sews, it winds up changed to dark purple regardless.
I have emailed DecoStudio to explain that they have a software bug that makes this product COMMERCIALLY USELESS, but got the response that I needed to call support in Australia (long distance from the US) and that there would be a fee to talk to Support. Well, no WAY--this program costs so much (and I already owned CorelDRAW X3 Graphics Studio) that they should be able to respond to a report of a software bug that makes their program commercially useless without socking it to the person who wishes to point this out to them. I have, today, notified Corel Corporation of the situation. I will be offering my Wilcom DecoStudio e1 for sale on eBay with a complete explanation of why I'm selling it--it is not a commercially viable product in its current programming. Imagine customer reaction if you were to sell a design and the colors are all messed up in every format (including .EMB) and the .PES files are not readable by any machine that uses .PES. In discussions with other users through this forum, I have been able to determine that everyone is having these same difficulties. The fact that I can save a DecoStudio file as a .DST file and convert it to a .PES file (version 1 through 6) in TrueSizer proves to me there is a bug in DecoStudio's file conversion.
If anyone has any suggestion on how to save a design preserving your original colors (without the program reverting to its native DECO color pallete) please let me know. I've read the Instruction Manual twice and have not been able to solve the problem of saved files having screwed up color schemes.
I think Corel Corporation abandoned Wings because they were including a graphics engine in their stand-alone programs. The partnership with Wilcom was meant to be financially superior to continuing with the Wings partnership--more revenue coming from the initial version e1 than for updates to the Wings product as well. However, if the Wicom DecoStudio bugs are not addressed, this is a commerically nonviable product. |
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delfius  Posts: 87 Location:
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| 05/26/2008 9:53 PM |
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Don't panic, I can help you there. 
The problem with color-loss is not in the software, but a limitation of certain file formats themselves. Some stitch file formats simply don't store the colors at all. It's like when you save a web page (HTML) as a TXT file in Internet Explorer, you will lose all the pictures and pretty formatting.
If you have the original design saved as EMB, and you change colors and resave as EMB, it will keep all your colorways. If you save as EMB as a DST file, and reopen the DST file, the colors will be lost because they are not stored in the DST file (so resaving as EMB after reopening DST won't help).
The solution to your problem is ALWAYS keep the ORIGINAL EMB file. If you need to make any edits, MAKE SURE you open the original EMB file and edit that. You can ensure you are always opening an EMB by turning on the "Show Design Source" in the options (View->Design Options, General Tab). This will give you a "Design Warning" if you accidentally open a stitch file instead of the original EMB, so that you can avoid accidentally editing the stitch file instead of the EMB (thus getting wrong colors).
Even if you are using a file format that stores the colors (e.g. JEF), it is still advisable to keep the original EMB anyway, because, not only does EMB preserve your colors, it also preserves objects and properties, making it much easier to edit/resize the design in the future.
If you want to sell a design where the colors are not messed up, I suggest selling in EMB format. Stitch formats such as DST aren't really meant to be edited, they're just meant to be stitched. And I'm 95.6% sure you won't actually find a DST file in the world that has the correct colors. 
If you give a customer an EMB in the "ES 2006" format, the customer can convert it to whatever format he/she likes, and also has the advantage of being able to resize it in TrueSizer 2006 and preserve stitch spacings.
If the customer really wants a DST, they're probably already aware that it won't have correct colors.
I hope this helps!
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| 05/26/2008 10:42 PM |
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Hi Sharsand,
I'm from the Wilcom Sydney office.
I saw your email today to the wilcom @ wilcom.com.au address and I have forward your query directly to your local support team in the US to call you direct.
I think the posts above have addressed your main issues about the colours at a high level, but just to make sure I will ensure the local team call you.
When you say you emailed decostudio what exact email address did you use?
I can assure you that Wilcom do not charge for support nor do we require you to call Australia. We have Wilcom support offices in Australia, US, UK, Belgium and in Japan on top of our local representatives that support over 70 countries around the world so I don't know who told you this incorrect information.
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sharsand  Posts: 44 Location:
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| 05/27/2008 8:05 AM |
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You obviously did not read my entire post--and I don't own anyone an apology and don't appreciate being called an "ass".
I said that the only way I could get a machine readable .PES file (there is a programming error and I am not the only one who has this problem) with saving to .PES Versions 2-6 and the only way I can use an .EMB file (when what my machine reads), is to convert it to another file format(.DST is one that can be read--there are others, just not the one I need = .PES). When I save any design file first as .EMB, the next time I open it, the colors are all screwed up. PERIOD. No apology owed to anyone--that's what happens. I don't need help like this, it is condescending and insulting.
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| 05/27/2008 8:14 AM |
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| It is a holiday here today in the US and my other computer has the response downloaded to my email program. As soon as I get to it (hopefully tomorrow), I will forward it to you--I did not make this up. I think no one read the entire post. My major problem is that Wilcom Deco Studio e1 will not "save as" are usable .PES file--which file is necessary on my machine. I used the .DST file format as an example of one that is saved, but with messed up colors... Even when I save the original file (the .EMB) in the "save" format, the next time I open it, the colors are not the ones I assigned or that were present in the printout for the original design. The saved .EMB file opens with the colors reassigned in the order they show up on the Deco thread chart, even though I assigned colors from a Maderia chart or a chart I made for Brother. If you look at what most people sell in the online embroidery design suppliers for home users: They supply the pattern in several different formats--not once have I seen the .EMB format provided with a pattern avail for retail home users. .PES usually tops the list. No one called me so far today, but, as I said it is a holiday. I will get back to you and appreciate any help you can give. I am no rookie when it comes to the computer (learned Fortran back in the 1970's, Basic, in the 80's and can build my own machine from the ground up). I have used CorelDRAW since ver. 1 and know the program intimately. I've proven beyond doubt that there is a problem with DecoStudio saving to .PES and others have made similar reference in several posts here. I'll forward the response I got from Wilcom Support asap. Thanks |
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| 05/27/2008 8:30 AM |
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| Just to clarify a bit further--I just tried saving an .EMB original file in the .JEF format (to save colors), but I cannot open that to convert it to a .PES file (which format will corrupts the file in DecoStudio necessitating the two-step process to get a usable .PES file), but PE Design 7 gives an error that the "File Format Not Recognized." Since downloading the True Sizer software, I've been able to open the saved .JEF file in True Sizer, but, again, the colors are all screwed up. If I cannot sew anything in the .EMB format and need to convert to the .PES file format, what use is this program if I cannot preserve the color scheme? I promise you there is a bug in the DecoStudio .PES file saving software--at least when using Windows Vista (32-bit). I would try the program on one of my desktop computers running XP, but that would violate the licensing agreement. |
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| 05/27/2008 8:35 AM |
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| I really appreciate your trying to help, but the problem is not with the .DST file format--that was just used as an example of a file format that I can actually save that my machine can read (or the Brother PE Design 7 or PED software file transfer can read). The problem is that there is a bug in the DecoStudio software that will not save or "save as" as .PES file that can be read--not just that the colors get screwed up, but that it cannot save anything in a usable .PES file. If you are not using .PES files, great!, it is not a problem for you--but if you are, it is a HUGE problem. I can save a file in any other format--most can at least be read by the TrueSizer program and coverted to a usable .PES file there, but only with all the colors screwed up. So, I go back to the original issue: There is a software bug that needs to be fixed or this product is commercially useless. |
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| 05/27/2008 8:40 AM |
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Please, don't respond again--once was enough for me. I agreed to the TOS rules when I signed up here, or I'd say a lot more. |
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| 05/27/2008 9:15 AM |
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Brendon,
Please read also the last post under DecoStudio, PES FILE from a "more experienced" user who confirms my assertion that there is a bug in the DecoStudio software with regard to .PES file saves. I do understand the difference between the file types, despite what a condescending poster wrote here. I am simply trying to get a usable file for home use--but you should know that I bought this program second hand from someone who had already discovered it was not a commercially viable product and SHE was in business to sell her designs. |
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| 05/27/2008 9:30 AM |
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I just noticed your post under .PES files
I appreciate it that a more experienced user is saying that she talked to Wilcom and confirmed that there is a bug in the software with regard to saving .PES files (actually the program saves a .PES file, just not one that is usable). I'm posting your other response on this thread as well, so the people who think I don't know what I'm talking about can read it:
"I talked to my friend in Wilcom Support. Yes, there's a bug with PES format in DecoStudio. But until Wilcom can fix it, you can use conguero01's workaround above, specifically: - save the design as Design Files ES 2006 (*.EMB) - open in TrueSizer - save as PES
If I hear of a nicer workaround (or a fix???), I'll let you guys know.
As for Colorways, you can add your own (e.g. Madeira Rayon 40) in the "Modify Thread Chart" dialog. And the issue with your colors changing during conversion isn't a bug, so don't worry too much about that (see my response in your other thread). Cheers!"
Before anyone from Wilcom calls me, please check with your own support people -- if this is true, you should already be aware of this problem and, I restate, this makes DecoStudio commercially nonviable. |
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| 05/28/2008 5:50 AM |
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Brendon,
I appreciate your call from Australia yesterday--but I never did receive the email you said you were going to send (it may have been filtered out by the server as spam--something that is happening with greater frequency). The email that I was going to send to you came from Corel International as far as I can tell, and, in recreating my initial request for assistance with the .PES file format, I logged into the place where I regestered the Wilcom DecoStudio first. This is the reply (note a couple of things, however: I've replaced some personal information with "x"'s and, at the time of the writing I did not own PE Design 7, which product subsequently proved to me that my machine can read .PES formats 1-7 and is the about as advanced in that regard as Brother gets); note that I was told to make a long distance call and informed fees would apply--something I found totally outrageous when the problem is a bug in YOUR program considering the retail cost of that program):
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From: Support [ mailto:Support@corel.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 10:44 PM
To:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Wilcom DecoStudio file formats [Incident: 080428-000122]
Recently you requested personal assistance from our on-line support center. Below is a summary of your request and our response.
If this issue is not resolved to your satisfaction, you may reopen it within the next 7 days.
Thank you for allowing us to be of service to you.
To update your question from our support site, click the following link or paste it into your web browser.
http://www.corel.com/rightnow/redirect_en.html?p_userid=sharsand@gmail.com&p
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Response (Robby) - 05/01/2008 11:43 PM
Dear Sharon,
After carefully reviewing this incident it is recommended that you call into our technical support center for further assistance. E-mail is an alternative option for technical support on resolving minor issues. Due to the nature of this particular issue, and the need for interaction, contacting Corel directly via telephone will provide you with a quicker and more tailored solution for the issue you are facing.
Please Note: A fee per support incident may apply when calling. Please view this KB article for more info:
http://support.corel.com/scripts/rightnow.cfg/php.exe/enduser/std_adp.php?p_
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For a list of telephone support numbers, please see http://support.corel.com/scripts/rightnow.cfg/php.exe/enduser/std_adp.php?&p
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Best Regards,
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Title: What file formats are supported by Wilcom DecoStudio e1?
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Customer (Sharon XXXXXX - 04/28/2008 06:59 PM I am having a couple of problems with the program and hope you can supply
answers:
1. The .bak files are useless; I cannot find a way to rename them into files that will load into the DecoStudio. Why have backups if they are unusable as files? If I had the old MS file.exe in Windows, I might be able to change the .bak to .emb, but it cannot be done in Vista unless you have a secret I do not know about.
2. The PES file "save as" has a major problem for users of Brother home embroidery machines. Although I can save a file in the .emb format, when I try to save it for PES (Ver 1 is the only version recognized by my machine or the PED-Basic file downloader)--my machine connects to the Internet via usb as well. The "Save As" winds up saving three versions of the PES file, a -a, -b, and -c version. I do not know if these three programs can be combined (sewing each successively).
3. When I make a palatte for the thread colors that I have (either the Brother labels, the "country" labels, or Madiera Poly Neon) the palates are not saved to the program and I have to make the palatte every single time I start a design. When the program converts to .PES (even in the instance of a tiny file that stays whole without the -a, -b, & -c multiple files). When I open the program, all of the colors convert to the original palatte (Wilcom's colors). The only way I can actually sew a pattern is to print the .EMB version with the color sequence of my palatte and use those colors--it gets to be expensive with the high cost of printer ink these days. The .PES program seems to assign the Wilcom colors to the pattern in the order they appear on the original palatte (Color No. 1 is always a dark purple-blue regardless of the color or brand I applied to it in my pallate).
If I am going to have to repeat the process of listing my 61 Brother colors in a new palatte every time I do a design, well, I think the PE-Design 7 (and subsequent products) will be the only program that I use. I have used CorelDRAW since Ver. 1 and know this program inside and out. I had already upgraded to X-3, so I am completely familiar with that version. The problem is in the DecoStudio file conversion. If you meant this program only for professional use, it should say so on the information given on the Corel and Wilcom websites. I was led to believe that this program supported Brother's .PES files and, to my dismay, it seems to have a huge problem converting the file if it is large and sticking with the colors I choose regardless. I have read (printed out over 500 pages) the manual and I do not see any mention of the .PES file format--I assume your several versions are for different machines with different numbers of needles. The single-needle .PES version should be the easiest to save, but the program locks up completely if it is a large file. I have limited the colors I use to see if this makes a difference, but it does not. I think your programmers need to tweek the .pes 1 file save. If this problem is not addressed, I doubt that I will keep this program. I am amazed at how much better the auto-convert is in the much less expensive PE-Design 7 (which I just bought out of total frustration with the Wilcom product). I can specify the stitch type before the conversion is done. In the Wilcom program, it seems to ignore the stitch type I have selected and do whatever it pleases. If I then highlight and change the sections that have come out in a stitch I did not want (like satin), the file "save as" seems to go completely berserk and I wind up having to close the program before I can continue. There is a bug somewhere in this software. I've been working with computers since punch cards and
Fortran and can build my own computers from scratch. If there is something
about the .PES file format that is not in the available documentation that will allow me to save files in the .PES (Ver 1) format (my machine does not recognize the other .PES formats and it is the latest PE 700-II), please let me know.
Thank you,
Sharon
Question Reference #080428-000122
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Product and Services: Wilcom DecoStudio
Sub-Product: e1
Topic: Support
Sub-Category: Tech Support
Contact Information: sharsand@gmail.com
Date Created: 04/28/2008 06:59 PM
Last Updated: 05/01/2008 11:43 PM
Status: Responded
Type of Inquiry: Technical Assistance
Serial Number: 1783749697
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Computer: Gateway laptop model No. MX8715; Intel Dual Core 1.73
(T2250) GigHz running MS Vista Home Premium Ver. 6.0.6; 2 Gig RAM, 2.2 Gig Virtual memory, bios Phoenix Tech., state of the art graphics accelerator with tons of memory.
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| 05/28/2008 9:37 PM |
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1. Regarding renaming BAK files... You can rename .BAK files in Vista using the windows explorer. Since you're changing the extension, you have to set up your explorer so it doesn't hide the extension, i.e. - double-click Computer on your desktop - press Alt key to bring up menu - From the menu, do Tools->Folder Options->View - untick "Hide extensions for known file types" Then you can navigate to the backup file and "right-click->Rename" and change the "bak" to "emb".
2. Regarding PES V1.0 splitting -a -b -c
The software only splits really big designs into -a -b -c when saving PES V1.0. This is not a bug, this is a feature for people where their machines or software could only support 32000 stitches. I'm not familiar with your machine model, but if you're sure enough that it supports more than 32000 stitches, you can increase the number by changing a configuration file. Open the HOMECNV.INI in the BIN folder where you installed DecoStudio, look for "PES Settings", and change 32000 to something higher (or to 0, to prevent splitting entirely). For more info, see my post in: http://www.embroiderystartup.com/Forums/tabid/72/forumid/12/postid/1239/view/topic/Default.aspx
3. Regarding saving palettes
DecoStudio CAN save your palette as the default, so no, you don't have to recreate your palette every time you create a design, don't worry. When you create a new design, the software loads a template file "Normal.EMT", which contains colors. So, to change the default palette:
- create an empty new design
- edit the palette(s) as you like
- File->Save As
- Select "Templates (*.EMT)" from files of type
- Save on top of Normal.EMT
Then, the next time you create a new design, you should get your new palette.
4. Speeding up save as PES
I've never had my PC "lock up" saving stitch files, but if the file is large, naturally it can take a while. BUT I did find you can speed up saving A LOT by ensuring you have the correct Machine Format selected when you create the design. Unfortunately for you, "Brother" isn't listed in the machine formats. But, fortunately, you can create it yourself inside DecoStudio. The closest machine format to Brother is MELCO (this is important for you!).
- In Embroidery Mode, select "Machine->Select Machine Format..."
- Select "Melco" from the list (important!!!)
- Press Create... button
- Enter "Brother" into the Format Name (leave everything else as default)
- Press Save button
Next time you create a design, "Brother" will show up in the list of machine formats in the startup wizard. If you select the Brother machine format, your PES files will save faster.
I think that should just about solve all your problems. 
Have fun!
- Delfius!
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| 05/29/2008 4:34 AM |
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I'm sorry you wasted so much of your time in composing this. My post was addressed to Brendon and was not intended to ask any of the questions that were already addressed over a month ago and was a documentation of the fact that they wanted me to call long distance and with a fee. Corel and Wilcom are in a new partnership and don't yet have their efforts coordinated. Having been a CorelDRAW user since Ver. 1 of that software suite, I went to them first for help when I discovered the software bug in DecoStudio.
The Wilcom DecoStudio e1 HAS A SOFTWARE BUG AND CANNOT SAVE A READABLE .PES FILE. Wilcom Support has admitted as much and is working on a software fix which will result in an upgrade to the current software. If you are not using .pes files, then you may think that they files DecoStudio is saving as .pes (1-6) are executable files. They are not. They are corrupt files. The Ver. 1 happens to be the ONLY .pes file that will write a usable file, but it has to be tiny because of the very limitations you note. My concern is that a commercial user may sell someone a .pes file that they do not know is corrupt and unusable.
My particular computer has critical files that are hidden and the manufactuer who has their own VISTA version that does not allow me to change the hidden file attribute. I work around this by transferring the file to a computer running XP and change the file attributes there. While your suggestion might work for some, it will not work for me (with regard to the .bak files). Personally, I wish computer manufacturers would leave Windows alone, but it seems most "personalize" the versions they pre-install on new computers to suit their own purposes.
I solved my color problems by creating a series of "dummy files" that have specific thread brands and colors assigned and have given each a name that allows me to recognize the color schemes. When I need to use that specific set of colors, I open the correct "dummy" and then immediately use "save as" and use a new name so I don't corrupt my dummy file. It works for me. The problem with the .EMB format not saving colorways happened when I took the program off an older computer and reinstalled it on a new one (love the 3GB RAM on the new one) and forgot to check the "Save in native format" box under file properties--someone else already posted that tidbit and .EMB files now retain correct color. I'm using more than one digitizing program and, sometimes, the cross-over gets confusing.
Wilcom AU has assured me that there is no charge for Support on its products (going back 2 versions or ahead two versions as I understand it from the US rep.) and, apparently Corel (the other half of this partnership) did not know that a month ago. |
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| 05/29/2008 5:08 AM |
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| P.S. Just in case someone else with a single-needle Brother home embroidery machine reads this, the machine type for this instance is TAJIMA. There are many different models of Brother embroidery machines--some wiht four needles, some with six, etc. and PLEASE to not change your machine settings to Melco unless you have a familiarity with your machine's specific parameters and the Melco format's parameters. The is really BAD advice because there are so many different Brother machines. |
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| 05/29/2008 9:39 PM |
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Sharsand, if you're sending designs to your Brother machine using the PES V1.0 files, then please do use MELCO. I'm aware that the documentation and Startup Wizard recommends Tajima if your machine type isn't listed, but not in this case, trust me.
You mentioned that your system is slow when you save PES V1.0 files. But if you look at the progress bar at the bottom of the screen when you try to save a Tajima design as PES V1.0, you'll notice that the system gets stuck for a while on "Changing machine...", that's because the system is changing to Melco automatically. But this can take a lot of time depending on how big your design is. You can avoid that delay entirely, if you created the design using a "Melco-based" Brother machine format in the first place.
Just something I forgot to mention... if your Brother machine has trimmers and performs the trim when it detects 3 jumps, you can set the value to in machine format to 3 (or whatever your machine trims at). But you still have to set that in a Melco-based machine format.
Try it yourself, you will see it saves a lot faster. Don't knock it till you try it.  (of course, if you try it and it doesn't work, you can come back and knock me all you want, but I'm 95.6% sure I'm right) 
- Delfius!
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| 05/30/2008 3:24 PM |
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| Believe it or not, Del, I know what I'm doing. My machine is latest generation and is using Ver. 7. I don't use Ver. 1 .pes unless it is someone else's file and that is rare. |
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| 05/30/2008 3:25 PM |
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| And, once again, Wilcom Deco Studio e1 corrupts .pes files in ver. 2-6...I have been in touch with both Australia and US Support and a software fix is in the works. Obviously, you are not using .pes files. |
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| 05/30/2008 3:30 PM |
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| The reason for the slowing was the SIZE of the file was too large for Ver. 1--that is why it splits it--it exceeds the stitch (No.) parameters for that format, and I am amazed DecoStudio still tries to write the file. |
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| 05/30/2008 3:36 PM |
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| One last note: A slowing "system" has nothing to do with what the program is doing--it has everything to do with available system resources. I recently acquired a new laptop with 3 Gigabytes of RAM and the latest in graphics acceleration and nothing is slow on this system. I'm not using Melco--my Brother uses Tajima--and, sorry, I do not trust you. |
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delfius  Posts: 87 Location:
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| 05/30/2008 9:33 PM |
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Sharon, there's been some misunderstanding here. I never ever said or suggested that you didn't know what you were doing. I don't understand why you are being so aggressive to me. I thought you were having a lot of problems with PES, and was only trying to help.
I am fully aware of the bug in DecoStudio that writes bad PES V4.0...V6.0, if you remember, I spoke to Wilcom on your behalf and confirmed the bug in the other thread. So, until Wilcom release the next update, the only PES format that works is V1.0, so I must assume you are using it, which is what I meant.
So please let me clarify things up for the benefit of the community, even if you can look after yourself:
- If you use PES files in DecoStudio V1.0F/V1.0G, save as PES V1.0. Other versions of PES may not be readable by your machine. Wilcom are working on a fix for the other PES versions.
- Using a Brother machine format based on "Melco" WILL make your PES files save faster than if you had used Tajima. I know this for a fact. PES file users gain no benefit from using Tajima machine format, because the software does "Changing machine..." to Melco anyway when you save PES. Of course, getting a better computer will also speed things up, so if your PC is so good that everything runs fine, then good for you. 
- This issue regarding PES V1.0 splitting the file is NOT a limitation of the PES V1.0 format. It is a feature of DecoStudio, designed for people with older machines that could not read a PES file with more than 32000 stitches. It writes multiple files to allow users with older machines to stitch, for example, a 61382 stitch design, as 2 separate files where they would normally be unable to if it was 1 file. BUT, for people with newer Brother machines, who shouldn't have this limitation but are currently using PES V1.0 instead of their preferred version (due to the known software bug), you should change the setting so that your PES files will not be split (I described the procedure in an earlier post). Then you can stitch a big design as a single PES V1.0 file, as your machine can handle it.
Have a nice day! - Delfius!
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Brenden  Posts: 113 Location: Sydney, Australia
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| 05/31/2008 8:28 AM |
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Hi Sharon and all.
Delfius is absolutely correct in everything he has stated above. You can trust everything he says. Thanks as always Delfius for your contribution to the site!
You should follow the steps outlined by Delfius on 05/29/2008 2:37 AM esspecially his note about using Melco. Without going into the techinical way the application is programmed, PES is based off a "Melco" format therefore by working in Tajima you are actually slowing the software down. By starting in the Melco format the software dose not have to convert to Melco, so this phase of the stitch file export can it skipped and will speed up the converting process. This is exactly how the code works and Delifus is right. When saving to PES Wilcom applies the correct settings to the file format.
In fact, it doesn't matter if your digitizing format is in Barudan, Tajima, ZSK or ACME for that matter. When you make a stitch file in an appropriate format (PES for example) Wilcom will convert the format code and functions to suit the machine. Deflius is 100% correct - Use Melco, and if you want you can make a "Brother" machine format based off the Melco format. This will speed up the converting process.
For anyone experiencing problems with the .PES format Wilcom recommends you use the steps outlined in Delfius' post on 05/29/2008 2:37 AM until an update is released which will be soon. |
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sharsand  Posts: 44 Location:
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| 06/02/2008 5:59 AM |
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Delfius--I'm truly sorry if my post came across as aggressive--it was not meant to in any way and I do appreciate very much that you are trying to help (and you did solve the problem with color saves and the check box "Show Design Source" for which I am eternally grateful (and, in fact, mentioned this to the Australian Support representative, Brenden, when we spoke last week). I will try to explain in neutral terms (and if they come across any other way, they are not meant to) the .pes file save/Melco machine format issue and why it is a moot issue with me. I am using .pes Ver. 7 with Brother's PE Design 7 software. In their documentation, they make it clear that Ver. 1 .pes file has tremendous limitations compared to later versions (including a very much smaller total number of stitches, the number of color changes, and the file size). So, while Wilcom's software may have its own parameters with regard to ver. 1 stitch count--Brother (and Babylock) has recommended that all larger files be saved in the latest .pes file version available and clearly states that large files cannot utilize the ver. 1. I am not using True Sizer to work around the saving of .pes ver 2-7 stitch files. I'm printing out the DecoStudio production worksheet and saving files in one of the other machine formats that works (Janome's seems to translate very well), making any changes in PE Design 7 "Layout and Editing," then saving the file in .pes version 7. While Deco Studio tries to save large files in ver. 1 .pes (and, as we've all noted, splits them into -a, -b, and -c files), these are not really usable stitch files as the -b and -c files are not aligned with the -a file. I suppose one could line them up, but it seems like an exercise in frustration to me, especially because I don't need to use the ver. 1 with all its limitations anyway. Perhaps when the software bug is fixed, changing the DecoStudio machine format parameters will be a time saver in file conversion--I'll have to wait to test it to know. I have to assume that Wilcom will want to share the information for Brother machine users if it still makes a difference after they have reworked this part of the program. Again, I sincerely apologize that my posts sounded other than I meant them to--and would not have posted the Corel communication that's over a month old except I was asked to send that to the Australian Support people and the email they sent to me with their specific email address got sent to one of several of my SPAM filters and posted it here to speed up getting the information to them. The issues I spoke of in that commicunication to Corel had ALL been solved--except the problem with communication between the two companies' support groups: Specifically, Corel seemed unaware that Wilcom does not charge for support. They know differently now. I was incredulous that a major software bug in a program that retails for $2000.00 did not warrant a real response from Corel--and I'm sure they thought I didn't know what I was talking about (it seems that most suport units at most companies assume the person contacting them with an issue is not computer literate and they are likely correct in the assumption 99% of the time). It just so happens that I've had university-level computer programming courses and kept up with most of the changes over the years and am not a typical "user" so it gets frustrating when I'm blown off and am correct about a software bug). For those who do not have PE Design 7, I expect your suggestions will be of great benefit. As a longtime CorelDRAW user--going back to the first release and updating several times), I was disappointed in their response. A decade ago, I knew their support people and they knew me and the relationship was a lot different. But they've grown, expanded (I also own a lot of their U-Lead products) into other areas/software products and I doubt any of the original support people are still there. I had written Wilcom several emails in the interim, none received an answer (unless they got shunted to a SPAM filter that I have not found yet) and it was not until my post on this forum that I was able to speak about the software bug with Brenden. Now, Corel's website has the .pes file corruption in their FAQ's section for Wilcom DecoStudio and a direct link to the TrueSizer 2006--and I noted today that Wilcom has made that software downloadable without the user having to join EmbroideryStartup, which I had strongly urged they do. I am not a professional embroidery digitizer--this is a hobby for me, albeit an expensive one (actually part of a more comprehensive crafting hobby). I work in a highly charged atmosphere and make literal life-or-death decisions on a daily basis--so I use my hobbies to get rid of frustration, not add to the pile. I would NEVER have considered joining EmbroideryStartup because I'm not in this business. I saw the link to join when I registered my DecoStudio and ignored it. I was still trying to find a way to discuss the software bug with someone on the Wilcom web site when I saw an ad for the "True Sizer" and had to "join" in order to download the software. I sent an email to Wilcom Support the same day as my first post about the .pes files here--and it was the post here that FINALLY got the attention of someone who could actually address the software bug. So, I hope this clears up why your Melco machine changes do not really affect my use of the program at this point and I was truly only trying to save you all the time and effort of so much writing. The Brother software reads and saves in almost all the other stitch formats and is just a lot easier route for me. In Wilcom's machine documentation, they discuss ONLY COMMERCIAL Brother embroidery machines. Until I have the time to actually try your Melco solution, I am not at all sure it will work for my home-use, NONCOMMERCIAL Brother embroidery machine (PE 700 II). Brother has two very distinct divisions when it comes to embroidery, and the home division is further divided into combination sew-embroider and embroider only. I could be wrong, but in talking with Brother Support directly, I think the Melco machine formatting will apply ONLY to their commercial embroidery machines. I will try to clarify that futher the next time I talk to their support people, but, so far, I've had extensive discussions with them with regard to the .pes file formats and the various versions of same. I do hope Wilcom will add version 7 .pes file formatting in the software fix. Again, thanks for the tip on the check box and I'm so grateful that my .emb files are saving in the right color schemes now. Sharon |
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sharsand  Posts: 44 Location:
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| 06/04/2008 4:38 AM |
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Brother Commercial Division sent these to tidbits in email:
"I am not familiar with the Corel Wilcom software that the Tajima format (.dst) is the most universal embroidery language and it has the fewest translation errors. If you set everything for .dst it should work."
"Yes, I did misunderstand your question. This is software support for our industrial embroidery division. We use BE-100 and Ethos software. The PE software program is a home sewing software package offered by our home sewing division. I am not familiar with PE software so I will not be able to answer your questions. Please email your message to our home sewing division which is custsrv@brother.com ."
These responses were in response to my question regarding machine format used by their products. I forwarded the entire discussion thread to the address provided, but have had no response to date. |
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delfius  Posts: 87 Location:
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| 06/05/2008 9:11 PM |
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I don't think Brother support can really answer your question regarding machine formats. There's a difference between "Machine Format" and "File Format", and the Brother email appears to confuse the issue.
"Machine Format" here is Wilcom implementation, it is not defined by the machine developer. The Machine Format is used by DecoStudio's stitch generation algorithms, so that stitches can be generated efficiently for the target machine. Machine Format is NOT the "language" (i.e. format) of the embroidery data.
"File Format" is the language of the embroidery data, this IS defined by the machine developer (e.g. DST format).
So, what Brother are stating, is that the Tajima DST "File Format" is the most universal embroidery language, and I quite agree. But Brother support don't tell you what "Machine Format" you should use in DecoStudio for the PES "File Format", and Brother won't be able to give you a definite answer because it's entirely up to DecoStudio's implementation.
As confirmed by the Brenden above (the Wilcom representative), Melco is indeed the correct and most efficient "Machine Format" to use if you are saving directly as PES.
On the other hand, if you were saving as Tajima DST file format, then naturally you should use Tajima machine format.
But Sharon, as you say, you came up with your own solution where you use JEF as an intermediate format and save neither PES nor DST in DecoStudio. Then neither of the above machine formats are applicable, so yes, this is indeed a moot issue for you. 
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