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Subject: EMB Files (for Newbies)

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01/17/2007 9:31 AM Alert 
Just a note RE: EMB files:
Of course it is a best case senario to be receiving your embroidery designs (from your digitizer) in their native ".emb" file format.

But sometimes I receive ".emb" files from some of my embroidery customers (whom i digitize for) which are merely machine format files (I.E. a dst) saved in .EMB format and not the actual original source file (as it was digitized)....
This is not the same.....

I hope this does not confuse the newbies out there, as you may well assume that if you have the .EMB that "YOU HAVE THE .EMB".
Not so...
When you ask for the .emb what you mean (even if you have not specifically said so) is that you want the original .emb source file as it was digitized....With all object info intact.

Because saving the original .emb to a machine format file (like a .dst for example) strips it down to only the stitches and voids all the inate advantages inherent in the ".emb" format.

And if the ".emb" file you receive has been handled in this way then you are not getting what you would expect.
This file will look like a ".emb" but will be nothing but a .dst file sitting inside an .emb file.... not the original at all...
You would most likely notice this if you tried to edit it as the original objects (as you would expect of an .emb file) would not be intact.... and most likely you would see the default pallete which would be a bit of a give away....

But just be sure that you are aware of this.
David

David Hewitt (Digitizer/Director)
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02/02/2007 2:52 AM Alert 
Wouldn't it be great if Wilcom could convert those .dst files back to the original .emb file. I'm not a software writer but, if Wilcom can convert an .emb file to a .dst, then reversing the process could make the conversion.
Wishful thinking.
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02/02/2007 5:07 AM Alert 
Onrie,

ES can convert stitch based files to emb files with objects in certain limits, but better than nothing. It depends, whether you decide to open a stitch based file with original stitches or let the software calculate areas of stitches to objects.

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02/08/2007 9:35 AM Alert 

I know what you mean, and I also agree with barb...

The problem is that computers can't intelegently "interpret" like a person can, only apply math formulas to a situation.

And Wilcom has good ones (no doubt) but the objects in the original EMB are basically the result of the puncher intelegently interpreting a design and deciding the best way to break up a design.
And each object is like a realization on behalf of the puncher, that this particular part of the overall design is best redered as an individual and particualar type of element ETC....

But when you load in a machine format design as all this object data has been discarded the software as no intelegent way of knowing where the original objects started and ended as all it is left with is a whopping big sequence of individual needle penetrations and the odd function ETC.....

So what you are essentially saying is that "wouldn't it be great if the software could somehow regain all this lost object data PERFECTLY and re-construct the original emb from this stitch list PERFECTLY." In essence see the design in the same way that an experienced puncher would.

That is a very tall order, considering software's current inherent limitations....
Perhaps when neural network computing takes of in 50 or 100 years it wont be so difficult... but we are not at the star trek stage yet.......

On a slightly different tack.....

I have wondered however weather it would be possible (weather or not there is any scope in the various machine file specs for various machine formats) to somehow include "pseudo meta tags" in the stitch data (which could tell the program where objects start and end.
Perhaps by placing an empty stitch between objects or any other creative way using all the functions available to achieve this with-out compromising its fuctionality ETC.....
So that machine formats out-putted by wilcom could be much better "reverse engineered" when loaded back in.

Theres my technical bend on your observation there.........







David Hewitt (Digitizer/Director)
Planet Embroidery (Australia)

web: http://www.planetembroidery.com.au/
email:digitizing@planetembroidery.com.au
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